Not Reading the Small Print, with Nadine Matheson

This month’s special guest Nadine Matheson reveals how not reading the small print led to a big break…

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MARK: What’s the best happy accident of your writing career?

NADINE: I’d say that not reading the small print when I entered the city university competition, because, honestly, if I’d read the small print, then I would have read that: if you win the competition, you win a £2,000 bursary. And I know definitely back then, if I’d read that it was a bursary of the Creative Writing Masters, then I wouldn’t have entered because I’m thinking, I’m already working full time, you know, being a lawyer. But I was also teaching in the law school and I would do that in the evenings. So, I don’t want to spend any more time in a classroom. I give up my evenings as it is, you know, teaching in a classroom. Why would I want to go back? Why would I want to go back to school to learn how to write? So if I’d read the small print, I would not have entered. But because I did not read the small print, I entered and won the competition, did the Creative Writing MA, I and I wrote the Jigsaw Man, so… Is that a happy accident?

MARK: Absolutely, yes. It is. Absolutely. Fantastic. Yeah. Who reads the small print? Honestly, we all sign up to META and it says in there, you know, 17 pages down, we can steal everything you put up here. So yeah, anyway, enough of that.

Tracy Buchanan on the Creative Differences Livestream

Join me with bestselling author Tracy Buchanan on the livestream that looks at the little things that make a big differences to writers.

Tracy writes gripping thrillers that delve into the darkest corners of family, psychology and forensic investigation. Her books explore secrets, lies and the dangerous choices people make when pushed to the edge.

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When to Start a First Draft with Nadine Matheson

This month’s special guest Nadine Matheson shares a great tip for starting first drafts (and let’s take a moment for poor Nick)…

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MARK: What’s the thing that makes you think that you’re ready to start writing on a project?

NADINE: Because I’m a planner; once I’ve done the plan. If I haven’t done a plan and I’m like, well, yeah, it’s like… if there’s no outline, then I wouldn’t be comfortable writing. Because I know what would happen. I would just get to 20,000 words and then that would be it. I’ll just be… I don’t know what I’m doing with the story. But, and I say, it doesn’t need to be a, you know, a beat by beat by beat outline of the whole story. But it’s a general one. And once I’ve got that in place: okay, now I’m ready to start writing,

MARK: It kind of occurs to me, that’s the point in the story where you need to start making serious choices, story choices that have consequences. You know, the first 20,000 words you’re introducing people, you’re having fun, setting everything up. And then it’s like: we can start making serious decisions now. So it’s kind of scary, isn’t it? You don’t know where you’re going.

NADINE: I think that’s exactly it. I’ve mentioned this for my own podcast recently, I was writing this book, and I had a character called Nick. I didn’t have a plan for it. And, you know, the beginning’s, you know, all the set ups, that’s all the fun stuff. But then I got Nick into… Nick got released from prison, and then he went home. Now he’s sitting in his dad’s house, sitting in his dad’s kitchen. And to this day, he’s still there cause I’m like… I don’t know what to do with you now. I don’t know what. I don’t know what to do. So to this day, Nick is still sitting in his dad’s kitchen.

Must all good things come to an end?

And so, we find ourselves at the end of the current Witches of Woodville series by Mark Stay which brings to mind the old saying, ‘all good things …

Must all good things come to an end?

This Week’s Joy with Nadine Matheson

Nadine Matheson and I share the things that are bringing us joy this week, including…

Indiana Jones and the Great Circle

Spring and early morning sunrises

Top Chef

Homicide: Life on the Street

The Studio on Apple TV

Lego

Classic FM Movies

Comic Cons

And, uhm, a fence…

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A reading from The Corn Bride

I was delighted to read the opening chapter of The Corn Bride on the British Fantasy Society’s Youtube page…

The Corn Bride is available in paperback, eBook and audiobook from all book retailers and you can get signed copies from me here.

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A Tip for Finishing First Drafts from Nadine Matheson

This month’s special guest Nadine Matheson shares a great tip for finishing first drafts…

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MARK: What small thing has made a big difference to your creative process?

NADINE:  What I do now… Before I just used to write my first draft — and it sounds like a big thing, but it’s not, it’s a small thing — I write the first draft, and then after that, then do the rewrite, brief re-structure, whatever. That’s the second draft. But now I don’t. I write up to act two, and then once I finish act two in the first draft, that’s when I start doing the rewrite. Because now I’m doing the rewrite, I have a clearer idea of how… I’ve fixed everything now, so I know exactly how that last third is going to finish. And I started doing that. I think with… I think I did it with The Kill List, and I think it was just a timing issue I had. Like, a personal time finishing, I thought, I’m not going to get this done if I wait to finish it. I thought, let me just start rewriting it now. When I did that, I thought, this is a better way for me to work. So that’s what I do now.

MARK: And when you get to that two thirds point, you just plough on and get straight through to the end.

NADINE: Yeah, because I’m not thinking… When I’m writing that first draft, I’m already thinking, well, I already know I need to change this now. I need to change this character, put it in a different location, or I’m just going to get rid of that subplot. I just know these things aren’t going to work. And by the time I’ve done the second draft, I’ve already done that. And then I said, that last third is… I can’t say seamless, but it’s a lot smoother. I’m not fixing things.

MARK: Yeah, it’s so weird because I’ve just done that myself actually. You know, I’m talking about trilogies being hard. I got about I was 80,000 words on this, and the ending is there, and I’m kind of thinking, hmmm… And then I’m writing, I thought, ‘Oh, that’s what this is about!’ So I’ve realised, actually, what it’s about. So I’ve had to go back and sort of, you know, make changes. And now the ending just feels so much… Not, like you say, not easier, but I know where I’m going now. I know I’m going to do it. Yeah. 

NADINE: You have a much clearer… There’s no debris in your path. That’s the best way.

MARK: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It’s a lot less cluttered, isn’t it? 

NADINE: Yeah, definitely.

Nadine Matheson on Messy First Drafts

This month’s special guest Nadine Matheson reveals the benefits of a messy first draft…

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MARK: Are your first drafts usually quite tidy and well structured, or are you still making big changes?

NADINE: They are the opposite of tidy and well structured. I will say that structured in the sense that… I stick very closely to that three act structure. So they’re structured in that sense. But in terms of it being tidy: no, they’re so messy. But I always say there’s freedom in the mess because I know that with the second draft I’m going to be fixing things and rewriting and restructuring. So no, that first draft is not tidy. But what I will say, I said it the other day to someone was that what I’ve realized is that my… the first three chapters of my books, they are relatively unchanged from the first draft to what’s finally put on the shelf. They very rarely… I mean, I’ll say I’ve changed a little bit in the editing process, but fundamentally those chapters one, two and three, and if there’s a prologue, they’re pretty much how they are from the very first draft to the end.

Nadine Matheson on the Creative Differences Podcast

Nadine Matheson is the bestselling author of the DI Henley crime thrillers and presenter of the Conversation Podcast.

We Discuss:

Writing as a planner
Nadine’s great tip for finishing first drafts
Why not reading the small print was great for her career
We have a fun rant about META and book piracy
And much more!

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LINKS

NADINE’S WEBSITE
THE KILL LIST
THE CONVERSATION WITH NADINE MATHESON PODCAST
NADINE’S HURRICANE BERYL VIDEO
NADINE’S INSTAGRAM (for sunrises!)

THE ATLANTIC ARTICLE ON META & BOOK PIRACY

THE APPLE NEWS EDITION OF THE SAME STORY

THE GREEN ROOM

INDIANA JONES AND THE GREAT CIRCLE
TOP CHEF
HOMICIDE: LIFE ON THE STREET
THE STUDIO
CLASSIC FM MOVIES

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Will META do the Write Thing?

META (who owns Facebook) has used pirated versions of my books and those of pretty much every author I know to train its artificial intelligence software. We need the government to step in and ensure that META will #DoTheWriteThing

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